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Post by Blwn02 on Jul 17, 2009 21:37:18 GMT -6
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Post by 95cobra396 on Jul 17, 2009 23:14:44 GMT -6
Your new wheel/tire combo looks kickass anyway. Time for some Racecraft parts?
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Post by 65svtfastback on Jul 18, 2009 5:42:06 GMT -6
That sucks Ryan, time for some Racecraft or Team Z stuff. Both Mark and Dave are good to work with and make good stuff.
The good thing is the new wheels look badass!! Craig got those for the 91, definatly a good looking wheel.
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Post by wrxrevn7 on Jul 18, 2009 6:22:44 GMT -6
Nice wheels, but that does suck. Time for some better products
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Post by darkfiregt on Jul 18, 2009 7:19:02 GMT -6
Definitely sucks. I know of at least one law suit involving serious accident due to their parts. Not to mention, 90% of their parts are blatant rip-offs of other's parts, just lower quality. In fact, here's a post I made on StangNet about it. forums.stangnet.com/778605-upr-products-caveat-emptor.html |
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Post by Blwn02 on Jul 18, 2009 7:40:35 GMT -6
i think im going with teamz stuff for the rear....i already have their front end, might as well give them the back end too. This time im going all solid mount. No more poly bushings for me!
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Post by vadorsnake04 on Jul 18, 2009 8:34:13 GMT -6
damn dude that sucks!
- hey you(Ryan) goin to the nothpark show tonight?
edit: Im guessing not with the broken upper control arm.
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Post by nomrlz on Jul 18, 2009 9:08:30 GMT -6
that would piss me off big time. i'll be interested to see how they handle this  |
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Post by Blwn02 on Jul 18, 2009 9:07:52 GMT -6
yeah, i was going to, but not anymore....car won't be rolling till middle of next week. ordering my teamz stuff on monday!
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Post by 95GT on Jul 18, 2009 9:41:37 GMT -6
yeah, i was going to, but not anymore....car won't be rolling till middle of next week. ordering my teamz stuff on monday! Sorry to see that happen to your car, Ryan. You know, you CAN still come to the car show.  |
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Post by foxdragracing on Jul 18, 2009 10:20:50 GMT -6
At least we know that those tires hook!!! Traction problem solved!
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Post by 95GT on Jul 18, 2009 10:38:47 GMT -6
At least we know that those tires hook!!! Traction problem solved! With Ryan's lack of horsepower, his tires will always hook! ;D JK! |
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Post by jjjustin17 on Jul 18, 2009 10:51:54 GMT -6
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Post by BM1 on Jul 18, 2009 11:21:39 GMT -6
Glad you didn't get hurt and your car didn't go out of control or something.
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Post by Blwn02 on Jul 18, 2009 14:43:46 GMT -6
At least we know that those tires hook!!! Traction problem solved! With Ryan's lack of horsepower, his tires will always hook! ;D JK! Screw you Dan, i could fart and make more torque than your car does! |
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Post by 95GT on Jul 18, 2009 14:46:11 GMT -6
We both know that! I hardly see or hear from ya, so I take my shots at you when I can!  How long have you had those wheels on it? They look awesome. What did you ever end up doing with the chrome Bullitts? |
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Post by Blwn02 on Jul 18, 2009 14:49:07 GMT -6
yeah, didn't get hurt nor did i lose control. It was sure loud though. People that were with me said that when it launched it just looked wierd as hell with the rearend and body going to different ways...haha...its all good.
I talked to UPR this morning and the guy just kept tryin to tell me that I shouldn't of been running those control arms due to the tire and power level of my car, which is only 410HP/393TQ. He said it broke because of the poly mounts. I sent him several pics of the damage and a very big detailed pic of the way the control arm snapped and showed him that the weld just cleanly broke straight off. The way it broke tells me and anyone else that it didn't penetrate well enough when they welded it. He just kept repeating that i need the race version of control arms from them so monday they are goin to send me a "pro series upgrade" pack to upgrade my control arms for free. But im pretty sure im goin to call back and be the biggest nuisance that i can so i can try and maybe get a free tire outta them. Thats probably the biggest thing that pisses me off!!! Oh well. Ill keep everyone informed
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Post by Blwn02 on Jul 18, 2009 14:51:49 GMT -6
We both know that! I hardly see or hear from ya, so I take my shots at you when I can! How long have you had those wheels on it? They look awesome. What did you ever end up doing with the chrome Bullitts? i know, its alright dan, you don't have to get all teary eyed over it. I just bought the wheels thursday from summit and had them overnighted just so i could run on friday. I still have the bullits....wanna buy em? im either gonna sell them or just run them on the street. Im really debating running the 15's on the street. Im starting to like the way it looks. |
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Post by foxdragracing on Jul 18, 2009 15:01:34 GMT -6
Just like a bumper sticker I saw once says.... My lug nuts require more torque than your car makes!! Hahaha
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Post by darkfiregt on Jul 18, 2009 17:37:27 GMT -6
They never say it's their fault. That's just how they roll. They figure if they put enough magazine ads out there, they'll get their money, despite the bad stories.
Problem is, they can't just replace it, because they know you'll have the same issue.
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Post by Sukkoi19 on Jul 18, 2009 18:11:12 GMT -6
Sucks man. Your getting a solid bushing upgrade though for free so your doing alright. That tire is fine I have damaged worse just from the fenders rubbing. UPR makes decent stuff it may not be Team Z but it doesn't cost as much. Anybody that mass produces and sells a parts like they do is bound to have failures. You see Vortech failures quite often but it doesn't mean they sell an unreliable part. Just the law of averages catching up to them.
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Post by nomrlz on Jul 18, 2009 21:53:17 GMT -6
UMI told me the same about not running double adjustable upper control arms. I've never seen a lower horse car snap one tho. it's always a more killer set-up in the 600+ range. for what you paid for them, they should easily stand behind them  |
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Post by darkfiregt on Jul 18, 2009 22:45:17 GMT -6
Sucks man. Your getting a solid bushing upgrade though for free so your doing alright. That tire is fine I have damaged worse just from the fenders rubbing. UPR makes decent stuff it may not be Team Z but it doesn't cost as much. Anybody that mass produces and sells a parts like they do is bound to have failures. You see Vortech failures quite often but it doesn't mean they sell an unreliable part. Just the law of averages catching up to them. No, they're shady. Their welds are weak. When someone calls them on it, they say it's the customer's fault, or powder coating, or whatever they can to not take blame. They also blatantly rip-off other companies parts. They are not the ones who have put the R&D into the product. Not only shouldn't they get the money, but that means they don't know the part in and out like the original designer, and it will not be as reliable. |
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Post by Sukkoi19 on Jul 19, 2009 16:42:27 GMT -6
I disagree with alot of you assertians as I doubt you have real evidence beyond Internet stories to back them up. Obviously you can excercise your right to not buy from them and spread your opinion around the Internet however.
I have had good luck with UPR in the mid low 9 second land and will continue to use their products as they are priced well and are good quality in my opinion.
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Post by Blwn02 on Jul 19, 2009 17:17:09 GMT -6
well i have my "real evidence" on why i won't buy their product. To each his own though
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Post by darkfiregt on Jul 19, 2009 17:56:00 GMT -6
I disagree with alot of you assertians as I doubt you have real evidence beyond Internet stories to back them up. Obviously you can excercise your right to not buy from them and spread your opinion around the Internet however. I have had good luck with UPR in the mid low 9 second land and will continue to use their products as they are priced well and are good quality in my opinion. I haven't seen failure first hand, because I won't buy their products. But, I DO know they rip other companies' designs off. SilverHorse Racing is one of the ones they rip off. Every piece SHR comes out with, they steal the design. Most of the time they don't change the design at all. I've had talks with the owner of SHR before. He also states that while they advertise Made in the US, the metal is coming from overseas, so it's not the same quality. I'm not trying to argue with you. Glad you haven't had any trouble. But I'd give my money to the guy who's really doing the R&D. Who cares about the customer, and if a part fails, will back their parts up wholly. |
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Post by Sukkoi19 on Jul 19, 2009 18:17:34 GMT -6
You did see on the Corral thread that was posted on page 1 where the owner of UPR came on and listed their steel suppliers who do not source their steel from anwhere but the U.S. right? Oh wait one of them was from Germany. German steel has an excellent reputation.
Ryan did you get this stuff from Bob? If so did you talk to him first? Like I said with any mass produced and marketed products the law of averages will catch up to you. I can list tons of threads with Vortech failures but that certainly doesn't make them unreliable. In any case it sounds like they are taking care of the problem.
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Post by Blwn02 on Jul 19, 2009 19:10:41 GMT -6
nah, i didn't get it from bob. it was a dealer off of corral. I think it was Arts Performance Parts or some shit. Yeah, so far UPR has been nice about the situation. It would be sweeter if they'd buy me another tire though...haha..
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Post by darkfiregt on Jul 19, 2009 19:19:51 GMT -6
Just the way the guy does business is enough to turn me off, even if he DID make awesome products that he came up with all on his own. You posted the thread I was referencing, but you somehow skipped over all of Pat@UPR's wrong doings.
You can list suppliers all you want. Doesn't mean you get it from there.
Whatever. Not trying to argue with you. Even if they're made in the US and the metal comes from reputable places, they still have a higher failure rate than I'd like. You can't compare their products to Vortech. Things with moving pieces, especially belt or motor driven, are going to fail. Suspension parts should be able to hold 400-500 RWTQ no problem. The bushings should blow long before the welds do. There are plenty of companies making parts out there that don't have failures like that. They seem to only want to handle things when it becomes public of how they're dancing around backing their product.
And again, bottom line... I don't buy rip-offs. Whether they're quality or not, whether they're US made or not. I'm not giving them money for something they didn't design. Even if what I was purchasing from them WAS an original design, they sell enough rip-offs for me to stay away. I'm not giving them my money, nor am I putting my life in their hands.
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Post by Sukkoi19 on Jul 19, 2009 22:51:38 GMT -6
Just the way the guy does business is enough to turn me off, even if he DID make awesome products that he came up with all on his own. You posted the thread I was referencing, but you somehow skipped over all of Pat@UPR's wrong doings. Of which the owner personally came on and apoligized for. Pat is only a rep. The guy who posted the pics personally came back and said that UPR took care of him. You can list suppliers all you want. Doesn't mean you get it from there. Well thats a case of fraud then. I can hardly fault UPR if their supplier is lying to them and giving them a steel they did not order. Whatever. Not trying to argue with you. Even if they're made in the US and the metal comes from reputable places, they still have a higher failure rate than I'd like. You can't compare their products to Vortech. Things with moving pieces, especially belt or motor driven, are going to fail. Suspension parts should be able to hold 400-500 RWTQ no problem. The bushings should blow long before the welds do. There are plenty of companies making parts out there that don't have failures like that. They seem to only want to handle things when it becomes public of how they're dancing around backing their product. I'm not argueing either. This is a civil discussion about beliefs and experience. If you can't have a discussion with another human then what do you have? Like I said its matter of the bulk of business you do. And yes if you sell alot of product you are bound to have some failures. The nature of the performance world being what it is anytime you have a failure its gets drug all over the place. Did you happen to notice in that thread that UPR sent the A-arm back to the supplier of the steel who did a metallurgical test on it and found the blemish to be just that? He posted the actual test report for all to see. And again, bottom line... I don't buy rip-offs. Whether they're quality or not, whether they're US made or not. I'm not giving them money for something they didn't design. Even if what I was purchasing from them WAS an original design, they sell enough rip-offs for me to stay away. I'm not giving them my money, nor am I putting my life in their hands. I don't like it when companies rip people either, but their is a system in place to prevent those actions. If the individual who invents something applies for a patent he can protect himself from being ripped off. Have any of these people who have been ripped off sued UPR and won for patent infringement? The fact is if you design something and don't apply for patent it is part of the public domain. I feel for the people who have had their bright ideas stolen but a few minutes of Google searching on how to apply for a patent would have protected their hard work. Racing is inherently dangerous. Control arms do break. I have seen plenty of Ford control arms break under stock power in my life as well? Does that mean Ford is designing an inferior product? |
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How long have you had those wheels on it? They look awesome. What did you ever end up doing with the chrome Bullitts? 
