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Post by dyers98 on Jan 30, 2006 20:14:53 GMT -6
Hey guys, You don't know me. My name is Josh. Actually I've met you once or twice, Ben we met at Elec's last summer that day Jesse broke his rear-end giving you a ride....Anyway.
I was chatting with Elec after you got back from SpeedInc Saturday and he mentioned you guys might be interested in building my buddies car? He's got an 02 GT with a few mods and N20. He's looking to take it up to speed inc in November to spend some cash for an overhaul. If your interested still, let me know and we can set up a day to get together and talk with him. He has the build sheet from speed inc with prices if you want to look at what they were going to do. Basically he wants a low 11 second turn-key. He plans to drive it on weekends and the track. I hear you two are the mustang know-all's and my friend Todd would like to talk about details and time line if your interested.
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Post by Sukkoi19 on Jan 30, 2006 21:18:44 GMT -6
The only thing that I found kind of unnecessary was Speed Incs requirement of a built motor. Pretty much any 2 valve is going to require a power adder to get into the low 11s. You can safely make 400-430 rwhp on the stock bottom end which is plenty of oates for a low 11 second pass in a 99+ GT.
I would pretty much recomend a blower kit followed by all the supporting goodies and a serious focus on the driveline. Like a good 4R70W and stall.
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Post by Sukkoi19 on Jan 30, 2006 21:21:10 GMT -6
If he wants I can talk to him someday if he wants my opinion as to what will work. Im not adverse to installing blowers, Ive done a few now. I just dont think he needs to spend so much money when his goals are really pretty attainable with alot of the parts hes already got.
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Post by dyers98 on Jan 31, 2006 11:13:56 GMT -6
Speed Inc said they will not put a blower or any other power adder on a stock motor with 80k miles. I don't know anything about mustangs but 400 - 450 rwhp doesn't sound like it would pull low 11's? I heard you two are THE mustang guys so I'm not going to question your help in the matter. Would you be interested in building the car? Your labor will be paid for if you think you could do it. the time frame is pretty open but this dude is seriously anal about his car and has expressed up front that who ever does his car would be responsible if any damage is done to the exterior (understandable). I have the quote from Speed I would love for you guys to look at and see what's up. Am I wrong for thinking an 03 cobra motor would be a viable option to start with?
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Post by Sukkoi19 on Jan 31, 2006 12:51:37 GMT -6
If you think you can find a motor for a good price then yes an 03 swap is not a real bad idea. I think it would probably end up costing as much as Speed Incs forged motor in the end though.
4.6L arent the greatest for strength, but they have proven themselves reliable enough in the 400-450 rwhp range. I wouldnt worry to much about the mileage, I put a blower on mine with a 150k and ran 15#s of boost. Of course I did kill it, but no motor would have survived the conditions I put it through.
I went 12.30@116 with 309 rwhp in a heavy GT. That trap alone was worth a high 11 but do to the Ricer in me I shit slammed the car so the 60' werent exactly there if you know what I mean.
If he does a good tranny and stall, a centrifugal with a moderate boost and good supporting mods I.E. injector, pumps, ignition, power pipe will get him into the low 11s easily.
We really should get together and talk to this guy. Most of the stuff Im talking about here is really easy to do, he doesnt need to have anybody do it, although I will if he feels uncomfortable. A centrifugal is pretty easy to put on, the only thing that is really unnerving is tapping the oil pan. Ill definitly help him out if he wants, or if he just wants my opinion on things I can certainly give that as well.
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Post by Sukkoi19 on Jan 31, 2006 13:53:36 GMT -6
Cool. I'll let him know. How do you guys want to go about setting something up to talk? Let me know.
By the way, this is Dyer.
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Post by MystiChrome04 on Jan 31, 2006 15:27:00 GMT -6
I am going to have to agree with Jamie on this one. There are plenty of 450rwhp 2V out there, main thing is upgrading the stock plastic intake which to my knowledge at this point Ford themselves will reinburse you for whatever option you choice to go if you jump on it quickly!!
Cheapest and possibly the most efficent route for the money would be doing a Vortech and running X lbs of boost along with supporting mods (ie: injectors, MAF, pumps,exhaust and gears etc..) will be good 60ft away from a low 11 second pass.
If you friend wants to spend the money on a fully built motor he should be looking at going a bit faster then low 11's because a motor like that is something he would go with if he were looking for low 10's or so. Another option would be turbocharging it. A definatley more expensive route but still not as costly as a built motor and blower. I know of 2 different people personally that have made a bit over 450rwhp on a stock internal 2V 4.6 running around 9 pounds of boost and running times in the high 10's with slicks. Just somthing to think about!
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Post by dyers98 on Jan 31, 2006 15:47:29 GMT -6
Here is the whole story with Todd (the guy with the car). Right now he has the GT with roughly 85k miles. The car is built well at this point (headers, full exhaust, full suspension, CAI, N2O, 2200 stall with rebuilt tranny and whole bunch of wierd little things) anyways. He is not a wrencher so he called Speed Inc and said..."I want a turn-key, RELIABLE, low 11 sec car." Speed Inc said they would not put a blower on a 4.6 with those kind of mile, Thus the new block. They gave him a full build sheet of what they would do. The bill came to 17 grand...ouch, but he was willing. The car is not going to be a track car but more of a weekend cruiser with a visit or two to the track. He's more interested in driving, showing, and more or less just owning the car? Speed's list called for a 4.6 long block with polished PI heads, a t-trim running 12#'s, an entire fuel system from pump to injectors, a 3200 vigilante stall and labor. I think it can be done cheaper and probably better for that kind of cash, but I don't know fords. Oh, and he wants to keep the nitrious as well. At this point I am just feeling people out to see if there is any connection/deal that can be made to make both ends happy. I just want to steer clear of any problems and liabilities from this. It should be a kick-ass car when it's finished. That's the whole story....
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Post by Sukkoi19 on Jan 31, 2006 16:12:06 GMT -6
Quite frankly he can manage a low 11 with what hes got. The stall is going to need to be more radical and depending what is meant by rebuilt tranny he might need to look into that.
If on the other hand he wants the blower for the bling factor then I think he can get away with it easily on his motor. Does he have any reason to think he hurt his motor? Shouldnt require more than a simple compression test to tell whether or not hes got a viable mill still. If he still wants to run the nitrous my suggestion would be an SQ-Trim with the stock pullies and a 50 shot. I say the SQ because it has a more aggressive step up ratio that caters itself more to the 2Vs strengths than say the S-Trim.
We will get a hold of Elec and set something up. Id really like to at least steer him away from spending that much unneeded cash on a 2V. At that rate he might as well buy an 03 Cobra and do what he wants with bolt-ons, or an LS1 if hes not brand conscience.
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Post by MystiChrome04 on Jan 31, 2006 22:40:16 GMT -6
That's a good point, if your going to spend 17 grand on a motor (considering the car is probably worth less then that) I'd just sell it and buy a 03/04 Cobra (which can be found sometimes at around $20K) or a LS1 T/A or camaro. Hell you can pick up a LS1 car for like $8 grand. Then spend another $4000 on it and have a reliable 10 second car!!
Again i agree with Jamie, as stated before make sure and change that stock plastic intake with something like Accufab (which is the best IMHO) throw a 125-150 shot on it. A decent tranny with a like a 4R70W or a AODE and have it built maybe even with a manual vavle body, 3500 or comparable stall, slicks, and a set of 4.10's and he'll get there pretty easily.
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Post by Thewhitenotch on Jan 31, 2006 23:17:53 GMT -6
I wouldnt go with the turbo, on that car you would have to do a lot of cutting. It is different on like my car where I did not mind cutting and making room. I would keep a little more simple like a blower, juice or both.
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Post by Sukkoi19 on Jan 31, 2006 23:28:13 GMT -6
Dont forget we went with a carb on your setup as well so things went alot easier.
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Post by towtruck on Jan 31, 2006 23:48:54 GMT -6
Whats up with the fuel rails on the intake on your car?
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Post by Sukkoi19 on Jan 31, 2006 23:52:06 GMT -6
It just part of the Cartech fuel log.
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Post by towtruck on Jan 31, 2006 23:58:13 GMT -6
Sweet Didn't that thing do 650 rwhp or somthing?
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Post by Thewhitenotch on Feb 1, 2006 18:56:36 GMT -6
You finely got my pics up. It did 673 to be exact. Not sitll only 14#. I was having fuel probs though. It needs more fuel, bigger jets or somthing. It started to lean out around 5800.
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Post by banshee on Feb 2, 2006 16:41:59 GMT -6
Wow ben thtas sweet everyones gonna be talking about you this year again ben your the greatest
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Post by Thewhitenotch on Feb 2, 2006 19:51:18 GMT -6
Thanks
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Post by NOTAGT2 on Feb 3, 2006 0:16:05 GMT -6
i knew GOD would come back from the Heavens ;D ;D
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Post by dyers98 on Feb 8, 2006 12:34:17 GMT -6
Ok Guys! Elec is tough to get to commit to meeting up. Would you be willing to set a date to meet with Todd and I to talk about the Mustang deal. Then I'll make Elec come. If I don't have a solid day, Elec will just keep putting it off (I can make Jesse come too, we can make a car session out of it.) To recap I think Todd wants to see if you're interested in building the car and if not, just looking over the Speed Inc quote and giving some input on other routes to take in order to meet his goals. What do you think?
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Post by Sukkoi19 on Feb 8, 2006 14:03:11 GMT -6
Thats fine, Ill have to see what his definition of building is. Any day on the weekend is usually good for me. Saturday or Sunday or Friday night, let me know.
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Post by cruchelow on Feb 8, 2006 15:22:57 GMT -6
Finally, the guy with the car chimes in..... Friday nights are by far the best for me. Usually any time after 4:00. Somewhere without alot of background bar noises so I can "hear" but definitely somewhere we can have a couple of drinks. Just let me know and I'll be there Josh......
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Post by NOTAGT2 on Feb 8, 2006 23:28:09 GMT -6
Good luck getting Sukkoi in a bar! LOL
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Post by Sukkoi19 on Feb 9, 2006 13:27:25 GMT -6
Ive always loved that animated gif. Anyway Friday works for me. Have Elec call Ben and we will figure something out. Unless hes going to drag his feet.
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Post by dyers98 on Feb 9, 2006 16:25:32 GMT -6
let's shoot for the 17th (next Friday) around 5:00-5:30? We can meet up at Governors in Moline if that will work. Todd, bring your quote from Speed. I'll bring Jesse and smElec. Willy might be a good resource on thew topic too. Let me know if this will work for you two.
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Post by cruchelow on Feb 9, 2006 16:30:04 GMT -6
I'm in if it works out for eveyone else.
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Post by Sukkoi19 on Feb 9, 2006 16:46:31 GMT -6
I'll be there.
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Post by Thewhitenotch on Feb 9, 2006 17:06:45 GMT -6
Im down.
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Post by NOTAGT2 on Feb 9, 2006 23:27:57 GMT -6
Perfect Beer is on Ben ;D
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Post by Sukkoi19 on Feb 10, 2006 6:43:09 GMT -6
Are you still going to be on 2nd shift next Friday?
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