Blue DSM

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spoolin24 said:

Sounds like the guy that sold the car to ya got the best of ya.

Sucks that you can't take legal action, since he sold you a good car that he turned into a lemon.(Cause he couldn't fix his problems)

Elders taking advantage of the young, and they want respect.

Good luck with car.

Elder huh? Eric and I are the same age. A lemon? Hardly the car was still awsome and ran great when I sold it. Not my problem someone wrecked it a week or two after I sold it. But hey what ever, nice call on your assumtions. And about that legal action, I still have the bill of sale that clearly says "as is where is".

[spoolin24]

Thats cool, and I was totally assuming, since I don't know anything about anything. Still sound like to took advantage, and coved your tracks.

Good job

"Sucks that you can't take legal action" was in my previous post.

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foundationfound said:

spoolin24 said:

Sounds like the guy that sold the car to ya got the best of ya.

Sucks that you can't take legal action, since he sold you a good car that he turned into a lemon.(Cause he couldn't fix his problems)

Elders taking advantage of the young, and they want respect.

Good luck with car.

Elder huh? Eric and I are the same age. A lemon? Hardly the car was still awsome and ran great when I sold it. Not my problem someone wrecked it a week or two after I sold it. But hey what ever, nice call on your assumtions. And about that legal action, I still have the bill of sale that clearly says "as is where is".

So why dont you guys get off of me, the sterio worked great when I sold it. The vaccum lines were not all messed up. the only ones that were changed were the ones for the boost controller. Sorry about that, if you want I will be happy to take it off for you and hook up the two factory lines back up to the original boost controller. But judging by the fact that your on this website probably means your into some basic tuning so that would most likely be one of the first mods you do. As for the exhaust problem. i was unaware of the loose problem, sorry. But hey you told me one of your first mods was putting that new $500 down pipe on the car so why didnt you tell me then it was having all of those problems?
Oh wait thats right you were trying to sell me the car back cause you wrecked it and the insurance company was going to sell it back to you.

Lastly the car is a 1990, not brand new. So if that is the only problems you guys could come up with I would say I took damn good car of that car for a long time. Afterall Guitarpnk99 is still driving it around. And except for the wreck you were in it still looks pretty fantastic.

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spoolin24 said:

Thats cool, and I was totally assuming, since I don't know anything about anything. Still sound like to took advantage, and coverd your tracks.

Good job

you and I shouldnt have any problems/ negative words between us. I never did anything to you and vice versa. Tell you what, why dont we let it go, deal? And if eric has a problem and wants to talk to me he can. give me pm if you want to eric.

[theskineater]

Well, its still a laser too, so it will never really look fantastic.................



ha, jk

[spoolin24]

Im alittle lost. You sold the car to who? then they sold it to who? Now who's complaining?

Sounds like some drama over a MBC, and a downpipe. Pretty much what Guitarpnk is running now. He seems to be pretty happy with the car,and I thought it ran pretty good.

I don't know whos mad about what. Sorry again for coming off the wrong foot

[foundationfound]

I will try to straighten this out.

I sold the car to eric, with the mbc installed on it. He then put on the down pipe and got in a wreck within a month of owning it. Then he offered to sell me the car back. I would have but my parents didnt want me to buy another car since i had already purchased another car since i sold it to eric.

Then eric sold the car to Ed(guitarpnk99) and that is where it is now.

Eric is now saying that I sold him the car unfairly.

The reason I am upset is because it seems like people are saying I sold a piece of crap to someone but the car was not a piece of junk. It was awsome and for 2200 bucks it was more than a fair deal.

[red96GT]

I am not at all trying to be a bitch to anyone on this thread.

Clark, you sold Erik a car he didn't know crap about. Erik had plans but was hit on the passenger side. I threw him a deal and he took it.

Erik sold the car to me and the car is kickass. ( if you're looking at the driver side! haha) The downpipe is still on. I just had the rest of the exhaust finished and put a K&N filter on. I am welding up an atmosphere dumped o2 housing. Bought Pacsetter headers. Ported the exhaust housing on the turbo. I have an upper and lower Hard IC pipes coming in and putting in a Walbro 190 and doing the 2g MAS. I am not using a MBC. Just hooked a vacuum line right to the wastegate. 9 psi.

There are 3 problems I have with the car.

1. There is blow by but the car has 175k. So I don't care.

2. There was a rod missing from the turbo to the exhaust manifold. Again no big deal.

3. It's FWD.

I am sorry if I offended you clark. I like the car and I have no major gripes. The engine bay and interior was and still is super clean. I am planning on making it a DD and buying an AWD. When I first got the car I assumed the vacuum lines were all fucked up because I also had no idea about DSM's. I still don't know shit about them but I know it's OK.

In the end nobody is a pedafile. Just kids having fun. Which I am trying to do. Everyone that has posted has a nice car too. Besides theskineater's Purple Passion Talon. Didn't you say you knew about that car Clark?

By the way, do you still have the aftermarket deck? I am looking to put one in. PM me if you do Clark.

Again I apologize. Also, this thread as gone on way too long.

Later...

"Eclipses and Talons are cool, but Lasers
are poser cars." (some chick on CarDomain)
I just don't understand why people think that.

[spoolin24]

You don't like having a thread about your car?

I had blow by on my car with under 20k miles. Turned out to be a wonderful boost leak coming through the pvc line. Since my pvc line runs from the valve cover to the trottle body I have alittle bit of oil in my IC piping to.
Check valve took care of the leak. Soon a catch can will take care of the oil.

100th post.

[spoolin24]

20gtx00 said:

I am not being a dick. you sold that car dishonestly. you took advantage of a kid who at the time knew jack shit about dsm's.
Things were missing and changed that just couldn't be changed on there own. Vibrations from driving the car will not cause a bolt from the exhaust manifold to be missing. Or the mani's to be cracked.

This is why I thought it was a older guy ripping off a younger guy.

That's why I said what I said. I'm done.

We'll have to start a new thread for us tuner cars

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guitarpnk99 said:

In the end nobody is a pedafile.

I thought that was really funny ^. And I am glad you are happy with the car. In fact I would be happy to help you with anything work related with it. And I will be working on my 95 later this weekend and I will look for that lost exhaust manifold bolt in my garage. do you wanna sell that boost controller back to me? I need one.


As for knowing about the purple talon, I believe it was my friend joe's. But I am not sure.

[theskineater]

It was Joes...I bought it from him...He said he didnt really touch it....I just wanna know what the last person to drive it did....Theres some messed up stuff in that engine bay.

Purple Passion...HA. Nice.

And Clark, you cant have the Boost Controller yet. Im making one, need to use that for referance....Hopefully. Unless Ed is a basterd and doesnt bring it in...Along with the BOV........................




OH YEA!!! This ones for you Ed.....Once we race. Youll be




this shit still makes me laugh everytime.....

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MY EYES!!!!

[speedy6963]

20gtx00 said:

Hey clark! This is erik, the 2nd owner of the Laser.

We got that notion, both ed and I, that things had been messed with. in the 2 weeks or so that i owned the car i found several things that were out of place.

Im not going to be a dick. But:

1) the radio was shot. You never told me that when i test drove the car. also, all the speakers are blown. and damn that system sounded good on the test drive!

2)The downpipe was COMPLETLY loose. i could move the pipe and gasket freely. it wasnt bolted up to the exhaust manifold at all. I slid the gasket around inbetween the manifold and downpipe with my pointer finger.

3) A boost controller was found. not the factory one.

4) The vacumer lines were all messed up.

I am sure ed knows a lot more then me. These were just the obvious.

I am not being a dick. you sold that car dishonestly. you took advantage of a kid who at the time knew jack shit about dsm's.
Things were missing and changed that just couldn't be changed on there own. Vibrations from driving the car will not cause a bolt from the exhaust manifold to be missing. Or the mani's to be cracked.

Ed, if i forgot anything, feel free to chime in.

Being honest when selling a car is very important. Builds a good reputation, good character.

"I didnt beat on the car" - test drive

And if you can refute any of this clark, by all means please do so.

ROFL
You expect a 15 yr old car with over 100,000 miles on it to be new and have a warranty???

Too funny

[20gtx00]

You make it sound like im making this all up...
1) a guy hit me, an 85 year old priest on his way to church. NOT MY FAULT.

2) i wasnt on my knees begging you to buy the car back from me, if you remember correctly, i told you i had several other people interested in the car. I wanted to give you top priority.

3) If ed is happy with the car, then thats fantastic.

4) there was an aftermarket cd player, which i knew you were going to remove, in the car when i test drove it. All speakers were working perfectly. When i got the car, the oem tape player was installed. I could not get ONE SINGLE station. ed later tells me all the speakers are either blown, or on their way out.

5) Yes, i did install a 3in downpipe. it was not $500. I bought that after i got a quote to relpace the flex pipe. which was leaking horribly. I figured i might as well get a whole new dp.

6) I thought fixing the dp would cure the horrible jerking the car did when it was cold. I would get up, start the car, drive around the block all the while the car is bucking and jerking. On my test drive the car was warm, didnt do this.

Ed has since mostly fixed the problem. Needless to say the dp didnt fix it.

Look, im not attacking you, im just saying many things on this car were not as described to you, and i trusted you. I asked you if it had been modded. you said no. I should have known judging by the underglow, partial body kit, and a quater mile time of 15.xx, that that couldnt have been true. We all know how much going to the strip makes you want mod like crazy. I know the mod bug bit me. and its biting hard right now...

Whatever clark, You dont have to admit things on a internet message board, just know that people will eventually figure things out on there own.

Again, if ed is happy with the car, then fantastic, im happy for him. hes turning it into quite a pocket rocket.

I just wanted to make things clearer for the other readers on the forum. i am 19, clark your what? 21 22? So hes no elder. Just a master elder of the DSM world.

I learned alot from owning this car for a few weeks. For that, i can thank you clark, without sarcasm.

EDIT: speedy6963, its when things are distorted, contorted, mis- constrewed, blurred, and blatently not honest. thats when i have issues. My biggest issue was the radio speaker swap.

[xeiros]

It sounds to me like you wanted to come on here and start some shit over a sale you weren't too pleased about. You bought a car over 100,000 miles. You got in a wreck, and you started to notice shit wrong.

First of all, if you test drove the car, waited a week (or even a few days) and then bought the car and didn't test drive it again, thats your fault dude. It's called covering your ass.

Secondly, YOU were the one that got into an accident. You would be suprised at what can break on a car thats as old as one of those, even in a low impact crash. It took very little force what so ever to break one of the bolts on my exhaust because they're all rusted.

If the vaccum lines were all messed up, you would have known it when you drove the car. It would have ran like shit when boosting. Again, you should have test drove it right before you signed the title and gave him the money.

If the downpipe was out when you bought it, you would have known. It would have been overly loud. There's no way you could have made it out of his driveway without noticing that.

The radio and speakers....again....TEST IT OUT RIGHT BEFORE YOU BUY IT!!!

You may have got, however slightly, the shit end of the stick on this one, but by what I see here, thats about 90% your fault. Yeah, he could have mentioned this or that, but it's not his job, especially if even HE wasn't aware something was wrong, which can happen. That little dummy light on your dash doesn't pop on when a bolt falls out or rusts out.

[theskineater]

^^^
Uhh, the vacuum lines wont mess anything up if you know what your doing. My car had every line from the TB blocked, meaning 4 other places were missing it. It ran fine. The EGR was leaking, and so was the intake mani from those not being plugged, but its not that noticeable for anything else....

DSMs are easy to switch lines on without noticing....

And he wasnt bitching about stuff wrong after the wreck, or even about the DP...Re-read it.

[xeiros]

20gtx00 said:

2)The downpipe was COMPLETLY loose. i could move the pipe and gasket freely. it wasnt bolted up to the exhaust manifold at all. I slid the gasket around inbetween the manifold and downpipe with my pointer finger.

I think my reading skills are working here, because I see the words "Downpipe" and a complaint following it.

Secondly, I had ONE vaccum line messed up on mine, and I couldn't reach full boost at all. I was running about 8-10PSI, so it is noticeable.

[NOTAGT2]

This is the weakest Flame war.......Evaaar!!

[20gtx00]

Wow, go ahead and jump on that bandwagon if you like, im done with this thread.

I no longer own the car, its not my problem. I got the vacume line thing from ed, he told me that.

AGAIN: When i test drove the car there was an aftermarket cd player and apparently AM speakers installed. When i picked up the car, i didnt think to test out the system. i trusted him.

Fortunitly for me, you were not there to see nd hear the leaky flex pipe, or the detached dp. there was about a 1/4in gap between the (cracked) exhaust mani and the dp.

No, i didnt get into an accident and start bitching that the car was a piece of shit. I did have plans for it. I liked the car. In hindsight, the car had wayyy to many problems, and i payed wayyy too much for it. $2200 for a 170k FWD 2nd gear cruncher?

Like i said before, this thing was a great learning experience. I just wish more people would be honest about their vehicle when they go to sell it. especially to a kid who obviously knows nothing about turbo imports.

it just looks like, judging by the bolts missing, the cracked mani, and the exhust coming off in one piece (dp to tail pipe,the bolts on the cat were rusted and stripped), that a 16g could have been on there. plus, when you hear "That thing still got that big turbo on there" when stopped at a stop light, you start to wonder. hmmm... What happened to my car? I thought it was a virgin?!

oh xeiros, they had owned the car since new, yes 1990. he has owned several DSM's. meaning more then three. He would know nearly every nut and bolt on that car. It IS his job to fully disclose the condition of the car.

Its not mine anymore! Ed is happy with it, I just hate getting shafted, and i hate to see anyone else get shafted when buying a car they are really excited about. It's like taking away christmas from a 5 year old.

[xeiros]

Dude, you can own a car for 10 years, and not know that there's a bolt missing from somewhere because it fell out while you were driving. In the engine compartment, yes, but sometimes you lose a bolt when you're working on it, and say to yourself "fuck it, it doesn't really need it" and march ahead. At that point, over time, you're likely to forget about it. The cracked Mani can be attributed to the fact that it was a turbo'd 4 with 170k miles on it. The thing goes from cold to hot, cold to hot, all the damn time. It's eventually going to crack, not to mention the 1G manifolds (from what I've read up on them) were inferior to the 2nd gen, which is why some swap to them.


Some of these things you mentioned though, are things you have to look for, because sometimes, even THEY aren't fully aware of them until they're found. It's his job to disclose any problems he's AWARE of.

Sorry you had a shitty experience bro, but like I said, that was partly your fault too. You don't go looking into a car you know nothing about by yourself, or with someone else that knows little to nothing about it either. Research is key.

[theskineater]

People swap cause they are better......2g's crack too. Less prone yes, but they do. Its about performance.

And like I said...Some vacuum will matter, but most wont.

[xeiros]

No mention of the downpipe? j/k

[blk1990gt]

did the DP leak before you bought the car

[red96GT]

xeiros, I am not gonna be a big ass but you had nothing to do with any of this. You are obviously new to the DSM world. You can tell because you know nothing about the cars. Erik is a nice guy and I would consider him my bestfriend. The car is nice yes. But how does a bolt that comes up from the turbo and has a nut on the end to hold it to the exhaust manifold come up missing? Maybe because he did have a 16G on it and when he wanted to sell it he threw the stock turbo back on and lost it? Same with the exhaust? I would have never thought to take off the heat shields or other parts to find problems before I buy a DSM. I won't even go there about the paint job. and the sheet metal that was pop riveted into place with body putty gobbed over it.

If you buy a DSM, you either buy a beat to hell 13 second car or a totally modded 10 second car.

Also, if you have a vacuum leak, you have a massive boost leak.

This will hopefully be the end of the thread and I hope it gets locked soon. This is stupid and childish.

I'll see you all on the streets.

[xeiros]

First of all, I know I had nothing to do with this. I'm going with what was posted, which I knew was a bad idea in the first place (spoolin can back me up on that one, as it's exactly what I told him yesterday) but went against my better judgement.

From what the two guys posted, it sounded like the one who bought it from clark knew nothing about the car in the first place, which was a mistake on his part. He didn't disclose all the problems either (such as the bolt missing off the turbo). I read nothing about that, but maybe it's in there somewhere.

Secondly, yes a bolt or nut thats rusted as fuck can break or fall out with blunt force (like an accident).

Lastly, where the hell do you get off saying I now nothing about these cars? By your own words, if you have a vaccum leak, you have a major boost leak. Thats noticable, and thats what I said. If your downpipe is broken, you'll know because it's not exactly quiet. Thats exactly what I said about this in terms of these cars. The only other point you might EVEN be able to bring up is the manifold, and yes they are better in terms of performance, but they are also LESS PRONE to cracking, which is another reason why the swap is done.

[red96GT]

But if there is no muffler on the car and the downpipe is total shiz then you can't really tell.

Nobody mentioned the bolts and other stuff is because the three of us know about it. Not you, not spoolin' or skin eater.

Every car acts differently. Your car might run like shit when you dont recirc the BOV, some cars wont.... You might throw a CEL when you take the wastegate actuator soleniod some wont.


Later

[xeiros]

The muffler thing would have been helpful to know. Whatever. This is why I didn't want to get into this, and I regret doing so.

[spoolin24]

20gtx00 should have used pm's I would have never posted my assumptions.

It's not our buissness, but when you post on a thread people will respond.

[red96GT]

I didn't intend for all of this. I just said I think he's lieing about modding it or something like that.

I like cake.